marius daca posturile mele te deranjeaza imi cer scuze si iti sugerez sa nu le mai citesti.

Cu privire la Craciun.

1. Biblic sau istoric vorbind nimeni nu stie cand sa nascut Isus Cristos. Ziua de 25 este doar o presupunere. De fapt in ziua de 25 Decembrie pe vremea romanilor erau Saturnaliile. Aceasta sarbatoare il sarbatorea pe SATURN care era zeul agriculturii.

2. In biblie nu exista nici o ocazie cand apostolii sa fi sarbatorit ziua de nastere. Daca era un eveniment atat de important eu cred ca ar fi trebuit sa i se acorde atentie.

3. Dumnezeu nu ne-a cerut sa facem asa ceva.

4. In biblie sunt mentionate 2-3 ocazii cand cineva si-a sarbatorit ziua de nastere. Nebucadnetar si Irod, la aceasta din urma a murit Ioan Botezatorul. Acestia erau pagani. Crestinii sau evreii nu au facut acest lucru. Exista totusi o singura exceptie. Anumite traduceri redau

Job 1:4,5 Fiii sãi se duceau unii la alþii, ºi dãdeau, rînd pe rînd, cîte un ospãþ. ªi pofteau ºi pe cele trei surori ale lor sã mãnînce ºi sã bea împreunã cu ei. ªi, dupãce treceau zilele de ospãþ, Iov chema ºi sfinþea pe fiii sãi: se scula disdedimineaþã ºi aducea pentru fiecare din ei cîte o ardere de tot. Cãci zicea Iov: „Poate cã fiii mei au pãcãtuit ºi au supãrat pe Dumnezeu în inima lor.” Aºa avea Iov obicei sã facã.

Ca si cum Fii lui Iov au sarbatorit ziua de nastere.  Dar vedem ce facea Iov in acest caz :) Am sa redau celelalte traduceri la sfarsitul acestui comentariu.

Eu personal nu sarbatoresc Craciunul pentru ca nu am vazut ca primii crestini sa fac asa ceva.

Eph 5:10 Cercetaþi ce este plãcut înaintea Domnului,
Eph 5:11 ºi nu luaþi deloc parte la lucrãrile neroditoare ale întunerecului, ba încã mai de grabã osîndiþi-le.

Acum cei care aleg sa o faca totusi este decizia lor personala :) Dar de aici la a spune ca Craciunul este o sarbatoare biblica este cale lunga :)

CNS Job 1:4 Fiii sãi se duceau unii la al ii, ºi dãdeau, rînd pe rînd, cîte un ospã . ªi pofteau ºi pe cele trei surori ale lor sã mãnînce ºi sã bea împreunã cu ei.

RST Job 1:4 Ñûíîâü  åãî ñõîäèëèñü, äåÃƒÂ«à  ïèðû êàæäûé â ñâîåì äîìå â ñâîé äåíü, è ïîñûëàëè è ïðèãëàøàëè òðåõ ñåñòåð ñâîèõ åñòü è ïèòü ñ íèìè.

ASV Job 1:4 And his sons went and held a feast in the house of each one upon his day; and they sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.

BBE Job 1:4 His sons regularly went to one another's houses, and every one on his day gave a feast: and at these times they sent for their three sisters to take part in their feasts with them.

DBY Job 1:4 And his sons went and made a feast in the house of each one on his day; and they sent and invited their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.

DRA Job 1:4 And his sons went, and made a feast by houses, every one in his day. And sending, they called their three sisters, to eat and drink with them.

ESV Job 1:4 His sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each one on his day, and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.

GNV Job 1:4 And his sonnes went and banketted in their houses, euery one his day, and sent, and called their three sisters to eate and to drinke with them.

JPS Job 1:4 And his sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each one upon his day; and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.

KJG Job 1:4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.

KJV Job 1:4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.

LXE Job 1:4 And his sons visiting one another prepared a banquet every day, taking with them also their three sisters to eat and drink with them.

NAB Job 1:4 His sons used to take turns giving feasts, sending invitations to their three sisters to eat and drink with them.

NAS Job 1:4 And his sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each one on his day, and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.

NAU Job 1:4 His sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each one on his day, and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.

NET Job 1:4 Now, his sons used to go(16 )and hold(17 )a feast in the house of each one in turn,(18 )and they would send and invite(19 )their three(20 )sisters to eat and to drink with them.

NIB Job 1:4 His sons used to take turns holding feasts in their homes, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.

NIV Job 1:4 His sons used to take turns holding feasts in their homes, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.

NJB Job 1:4 It was the custom of his sons to hold banquets in one another's houses in turn, and to invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.

NKJ Job 1:4 And his sons would go and feast in their houses, each on his appointed day, and would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.

NLT Job 1:4 Job's sons would take turns preparing feasts in their homes, and they would also invite their three sisters to celebrate with them.

NRS Job 1:4 His sons used to go and hold feasts in one another's houses in turn; and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.

RSV Job 1:4 His sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each on his day; and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.

RWB Job 1:4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.

TNK Job 1:4 It was the custom of his sons to hold feasts, each on his set day in his own home. They would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.

WEB Job 1:4 And his sons went and feasted {in their} houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.

YLT Job 1:4 And his sons have gone and made a banquet -- the house of each in his day -- and have sent and called to their three sisters to eat and to drink with them;

mai ales ca nu a sustinut nimeni, ca e ceva biblic.

defapt ce ai vrut sa ne demonstrezi cu asta?

si ptr ca nu e frumos sa luam versete furate din context, aici tot contextul a versetelor care tu le scri:

Efeseni 5:8  Odinioara erati intuneric; dar acum Sunteti lumina in Domnul. Umblati, deci, ca niste copii ai luminii.
9  Caci roada luminii sta in orice bunatate, in neprihanire si in adevar.
10  Cercetati ce este placut inaintea Domnului,
11  si nu luati deloc parte la lucrarile neroditoare ale intunericului, ba inca mai de graba osinditi-le.
12  Caci e rusine numai sa spunem ce fac ei in ascuns.
13  Dar toate aceste lucruri, cand Sunt osindite de lumina, Sunt date la iveala; pentru ca ceiace scoate totul la iveala, este lumina.
14  De aceea zice: „Desteapta-te tu, care dormi, scoala-te din morti, si Hristos te va lumina.”
15  Luati seama, deci, sa umblati cu bagare de seama, nu ca niste neintelepti, ci ca niste intelepti.


deci ce vrei tu sa susti cu versetele acestea, e aiurea
sau vri sa vi sa imi spui ca cine sarbatoreste craciunul, e mort si inca doarme si nu a fost luminat de Hristos?... sau vrei sa spui,.. ca e rusine sa spui ce fac uni "pe ascuns" (defapt nici nu e pe ascuns), cand sarbatoresc nasterea Mantuitorului?...
ia seama sa umbli ca un intelept, nu ca un neintelept

marius eu cred ca mai bine decat sa te iei de mine cu fiecare greseala de copy paste care o fac mi-ai argumenta greselile care le fac eu.

Sergiu_L Versetul respectiv nu are legatura cu Craciunul. Eu am prezentat ca fiind ceea ce incerc eu sa fac. Caut sa vad ce ii este placut Domnului :)

As vrea sa gasesc un verset pe care sa il leg cu Craciunul :) Dar dupa cum ati spus si voi nu exista.

Sergiu, daca simti ca te ispiteste ii raspunzi ca atare (eu odata i-am cerut sa demonstreze el mai intai cu biblia si dupa aia eu ii raspund), dar nu inseamna ca nu are dreptul de a-si exprima pozitia...

si tu asa ai face six?... nu deaia da am si citit acuma cateva minute, despre cum Pavel nu mai lucra,.. vestind pe Hristos.
e una sa vi sincer si sa spui ce crezi si alta e,... sa vi cu subintelesuri si cu smecherii... naja, poate exagerez.

Sergiu_L probabil ca ai observat ca eu am citat de multe ori din diferite traduceri. Multe sunt diferite. Eu nu stiu 100% daca este ceva de craciun sau nu. Nu am fost nici ironic nici prost intentionat. Eu nu sustin ca ce spun eu este adevarat. Doar vreau sa fac o analiza. Nu intaleg de ce ma etichetati ca si cum as vrea sa va fur ceva cu ce spun. Nu intaleg de ce va e frica de ce spun ? Puteti sa cititi daca vreti sau puteti sa nu o faceti.

Acum intaleg ca voi nu numai ca nu citit ce scriu eu dar nu citit nici ce scriu altii :)

Va rog sa cautati raspunsul lui rabbi :) El a spus ca este biblica si normal ca am vrut sa stiu de unde se deduce asta. Eu mi-am bazat invatatura pe care voi nu o considerati adevarata citind mai multe traduceri. Pentru asta vam si prezentat si alte traduceri. Din pacate doar in engleza si unele care nu se intaleg cu litere aiurea :) Inca odata imi cer scuze.

marinaru, pot sa sarbatoresc venirea Domnului in lume bazat pe acest verset?:

Romani 14:6- Cine face deosebire între zile, pentru Domnul o face. Cine nu face deosebire între zile, pentru Domnul n-o face.

PS: nefiind important daca e aia data sau nu. pentru ca stim clar ca nu e.

nu te stresa, ca nu crede nimeni.  :D  :P

Auzi Six, lasa tu subtilitatea unora veniti cu pluta si care arunca momeli ieftine la crestini.
Arunca-te la subtilitatile mele, ale lui dakus, ale lui Liviu, daca esti tare.
Lupta-te cu noi care suntem anti-preteristi, nu-ti fa titluri de glorie din ghips si azbest.